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Let's Encrypt: Wildcard Certificate With Certbot

nabbisen on May 04, 2019

* The cover image is originally by OpenClipart-Vectors and edited with great appreciation. Introduction Let's Encrypt supports wildc...
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Daniel Lo Nigro

Would recommend using it along with acme-dns to get auto renewals working. If you use --manual, you'll have to manually renew the certificates every three months. You could use the API provider by your DNS provider (if supported by certbot or acme.sh), but it's not as secure as using acme-dns.

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nabbisen • Edited

Thank you so much, Daniel.
I've found the problem in my solution owing to your advice.
The manual renewal requires a new TXT record every three months:
community.letsencrypt.org/t/how-to...
Nice Go OSS 😆

I updated my post.
Thank you, again!

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Dinesh Rathee

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MichaelKing1832

Just curious. What is your use case for needing a wildcard cert?

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Abraham Brookes

I have a white label app that uses a subdomain to distinguish different brands - "coke.app.com" "pepsi.app.com" etc. Needs a wildcard cert to secure them all so we can add new subdomains whenever we want and not get ssl errors.

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Anders Jackson • Edited

Running different servers. Like www. domain and domain as web servers and jabber.domain and domain as jabber servers.
For instance.

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MichaelKing1832

You really shouldn't mix/combine the security of completely different services (thats what a certificate is - service identity) in a single certificate. The proper solution is to up the automation surrounding your service's build process to include the asynchronous process of obtaining a certificate for each service.

If you need multiple hostnames for the same certificate (AND KEYPAIR), you should be using SAN certificates, not wildcards.

If you need multiple endpoints with the same DNS hostname, you make that a common SAN across multiple certs for each individual TLS endpoint.

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MichaelKing1832 • Edited

As a follow-up, IMO, the only valid use case for wild card certs is for self-contained private PKIs usedd internally with external certs for the exposed service endpoints. An example would be a private mini-CA dedicated (and trusted) only for inter-node internal connections within the cluster.

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nabbisen

Dear MichaelKing1832
Thank you for your description and follow-up.
I'm so grateful to you 🙂
I'll learn and get experienced much more...

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Jason Dubaniewicz • Edited

Hey MichaelKing1832,

Do you have a reference source link for your statement: "You really shouldn't mix/combine the security of completely different services (thats what a certificate is - service identity) in a single certificate."

In a blog post of mine I want to link to your comment here but, also link to an official document/RFC.

Thanks a lot - and thanks heddi.nabbisen for this post!

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MichaelKing1832

Sorry about the delay, @bcjasond .
It is a best practice. When you use the same certificate for different services, you directly couple their identity and the security assertions/claims of the certificate. i.e. what was certified by the CA in issuing the certificate, as described in the CA's Relying Party Agreement (or RPA).

In the example, as long as www and jabber are 1) on the same host infrastructure, and 2) have the same security context assured by the certificate, then you're ok. But the second they're jot identical, you can't separate them because they're bound together and you'll need new, separate certificates anyway.

So it's easier to manage them independently, so they can have different security policies and assurances appropriate to each service.

For example, the www service might need to have an EV certificate for e-commerce reasons, while the jabber service only needs a DV cert. Or they run in separate docker containers, so you would have to jave separate copies of the keypairs and certificate anyway, but because you've coupled them, any maintenance (e.g
cert replacement) on one MUST be performed on the other.

It doesn't scale and it doesn't leverage loose coupling when two unrelated systems inevitably diverge from each other, and it doesn't enable detection of a certificate issue when distinction between www and jabber services is required, because they are literally two names for the same identity. This is more critical when the example is an HA system and you want to know which host you are actually connecting to - you can't. e.g
www1 and www2 are SANS in the same cert.

In closing, its not something you would find in a standard, but in your security policy in support of best practices, including clear identity assignment and infrastructure implementation specifications.

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nabbisen

Me too 😉
Thank you!

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snicker

On my home server, I route a variety of different outward facing apps to different sub domains, it’s much easier for friends and family to remember app.domain.tld.

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nabbisen

Marvelous.
I am going to use it as an example 😄

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Jacob Paris • Edited

The main shortcoming of LetsEncrypt is that it's faster to renew my certificates than it is to write a CRON job to do it every three months, so years later I'm still doing them all manually

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Klaus Schüssler

That seems more your shortcoming.
;) It isnt that hard to write such a cronjob, is it?

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Michiel Hendriks

Certbot, the primary acme client, does this out of the box.

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Jacob Paris

Not at all! But it's even less hard to not write one

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nabbisen

Actually, I update manually now, too. Haha 😆
certbot renew is useful.
Well, I'll add a simple cron job in the near future, although automatic renewal without any writing is also my ideal... 🙂

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Jakub Fiľo

I would recommend using acme.sh script instead of certbot. Way less dependencies and way easier.

I wrote about it on my blog. (just search for plantroon blog if you're interested)

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Daniel Lo Nigro

certbot is in the repository of most Linux distros... At least on Debian you can simply apt install certbot so it's actually easier to install than acme.sh is :)

Both are good options though!

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run_the_race

Not true anymore, you are required to snapd install it.

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Daniel Lo Nigro

I'm not sure about that... It's still in the Debian repos.

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Jakub Fiľo

That's true. But acme.sh is just one script to download, you don't really have to install it. I keep it in ~/.local/bin or /usr/local/bin on my systems. You need to supply hook scripts though, but that is required for Certbot too.

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nabbisen

Thank you, Jakub, for your good information.
I found that (perhaps):
github.com/Neilpang/acme.sh
I haven't ever known of it since you told me 😀

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Varun Batra

You can use docker. Docker and Wild card ssl

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nabbisen

Thank you for your good information.
While I use OpenBSD servers and thus am unfamiliar with using docker, it seems to enable us almost anything ☺️