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Where to Start: Python or JavaScript?

Based on popularity and demand in the current job market, two of the top languages to learn first in coding today are:

  1. Python because it’s versatile and easy-to-learn, as well as widely used in data science, machine learning, web development, and automation. It has a simple syntax and a large community of developers, so it’s an accessible language for beginners.
  2. JavaScript, especially for front-end (and now popular for back-end) web development, is also quite versatile and scalable. It's used to build interactive websites and web applications, and it has a large number of libraries and frameworks available for developers to use.

Both Python and JavaScript are used in a variety of industries, so learning these languages can provide a solid foundation for further exploration in programming and open up a wide range of career opportunities.

Where do you recommend our CodeNewbies to start? With one of these languages, or perhaps another? Share your experience!

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leob

If you're aiming to get into web development? JavaScript - is it even a contest?

If you're aiming to get into data science? Python - is it even a contest?

P.S. you're not even mentioning PHP, which I think is much bigger than Python in web dev BACKEND development :)

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Aziz Kaukawala • Edited

Indeed PHP is underrated!

I learnt basic Javascript for DOM manipulation in frontend projects and later on learnt PHP as a proper backend language and till date I use it (first few years with Wordpress & now Laravel). Surely now I work with many other languages such as python (Django), Nodejs, dart (flutter).

Point is, PHP is underrated and termed as "dying" even before I started to learn it. Still after 8 years people term is as "dying" but I know that's not gonna happen any sooner!

Happy Coding

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leob

I hope people saying that PHP is "dying" start checking their facts, and they'll see nothing is further from the truth ... modern PHP is a joy to use, especially with a framework like Laravel.

You can deploy a Laravel app on AWS Lambda (I've done it, it's surprisingly easy), and it scales like crazy. And PHP 7/8 is seriously fast as well ... and still evolving and improving (types and so on).

I'm definitely a fan :)

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Aziz Kaukawala

Absolutely! 🔥
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leob

I know where PHP's reputation stems from - it's based on PHP as it was 10 or 15 years ago ... things have moved on, I think it's not that hard to understand :)

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insidewhy

PHP is still kind of annoying to use though, for example the typechecking still occurs at runtime even when you annotate the types.

Things have improved but the language designers continue to make perplexing choices.

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leob

Perplexing choices, which ones, apart from the type stuff? The type annotations do help a lot within an IDE like VSCode.

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insidewhy

For example I can refer to a constant like THIS so the parser is clearly able to understand bare words in variable context, yet, despite variables being far more common, I must prefix them with $. So the code is littered with $ symbols that basically seem redundant.

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leob

LOL okay ... well in PHP variables simply must start with a $, it's rule #1 - the code is neither "littered" nor is it redundant - it's simply how the language is defined, nobody would even contemplate to ever change this.

I like the language, especially with a modern framework like Laravel - if you don't like it, don't use it.

I've looked briefly at Python and I didn't like its syntax (indentation and so on). Also worked a bit with Ruby (Rails) and yes, it's elegant and concise, but it tries to be too clever sometimes, it can lead to terse and hard to comprehend code. Javascript on the server is okay, but it's a nuisance that everything's asynchronous. And I've also used Java, but it's too verbose, and people who program in it insist on over-engineering everything.

What do I want to say with all this? For me, compared to the other languages that I mentioned, PHP strikes a good balance between being not too verbose, but also not too terse - it promotes writing code that's easy to read (you know, code is written once, but read dozens of times).

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insidewhy • Edited

Um "That's just how it is, it's not littered or redundant". Not such a great counterpoint.

I like pretty much any language more than PHP, it's an ill-advised poorly designed mess, which explains why it's so commonly hated and pays much less than any other language at its popularity level.

Laravel is okay I guess, but I'd still rather listen to Lighthouse Family than use it, and I really hate Lighthouse Family.

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leob • Edited

I just meant to say they're not gonna change this, because it's not realistic - it would be too disruptive, it would lead to half the documentation becoming instantly outdated, and it would lead to highly inconsistent code bases (one dev wants to use $, the other doesn't) - that's why it's not gonna happen, it's just a matter of common sense.

I think that's plenty good enough as a "counterpoint".

it's an ill-advised poorly designed mess, which explains why it's so commonly hated and pays much less than any other language at its popularity level

LOL all of this is 100% subjective (and pretty extreme) - and you're telling me that I have weak arguments :-D

"Pays less", my hat ... in my world the rate that I get paid depends on entirely different factors.

For me it's just a tool that works ... like I said, if you don't want to use it, then just don't use it, simple as that.

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insidewhy

Many of the design choices are objectively poor. The associativity of the ternary operator, the type system, ideas it inherited from perl, another language that famously died. If you compare php salaries to typescript, rust, go, python, the median/mean is much less. I don't like go either but it just shows the general animosity towards php, the same animosity overwhelmingly felt by most developers and for good reason.

All programming languages "work" so it's a pretty low bar.

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leob • Edited

I agree that some design choices are poor, but the language is old, and most of those choices stem from the ancient beginning years of the language. They've been modernizing the language systematically, and you can simply ignore 99% of the old cruft. Is it any different with JavaScript? Also many poor and confusing "legacy" choices there, but you can just ignore them and use "the good parts" (maybe you've heard about that book).

Well and I'm not an employee, I'm a freelancer/contractor, so "median salary" is irrelevant to me. Customer wants a site, app or platform with certain functionality, we agree on a price, then I build it - in most cases they don't care about the technology (but, Laravel is hugely popular for web projects, has been growing like weed).

I can develop an application locally in Laravel, then with one terminal command I can deploy it to AWS Lambda and it scales like crazy, without changing one single line of application code (only config variables). I know it because I've done it. Hugely powerful, can any of your supposedly superior languages do that too?

"the same animosity overwhelmingly felt by most developers and for good reason"

There we go again, a highly emotional argument which is 100% subjective ("general animosity", "overwhelmingly felt" and "for good reason"). I can't begin to tell you how comical it is, I had a good chuckle.

Can you back up your claim with statistics? Maybe most of those devs have at some point been forced to work on WordPress sites and yes, then I can imagine that they hated PHP, because WordPress sucks, it's old spaghetti garbage. Their opinion would probably be different if they'd had to work on a well-structured codebase created with Laravel or a similar framework.

Long story short, your assumptions and opinions are mostly based on ancient and outdated facts, and on a huge amount of bias.

P.S. could be me, but I also fail to see what's the purpose of these pseudo-religious battles, where people need to go around discussion forums on the internet, declaring "my language is better than yours", and denigrating another language and their users. Last time I'm saying it: you don't like it, you don't use it - other people like it so they use it, it's called "freedom of choice".

I think we should leave it at that, I've said everything I had to say, and I don't want to be repeating myself.

Have a nice day!

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Frank Font

Python is easier to learn and illustrates some fundamental concepts more cleanly than Javascript.

I'd suggest kids get introduced to CS concepts using Python but then when it is time for a job -- make sure you learn Javascript. That stuff is everywhere.

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Medea

I personally prefer starting with Python.
I started coding with Python, and I found it really helpful.
I learnt basic techniques like variables, loops and functions.
Now I'm learning JS, and it's been very easy to migrate.

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Bad Request 400

I would second that. In my intern years i had to start in C then C++.
Later on i teached myself a bit of java. But coding never "clicked" for me in the sense that i never wanted to code or had any fun with it.

Python was the first language i looked at (for a project back 7 or 8 years ago) that when i started to get the hang of it i had fun coding. I cannot tell you how important that moment was for my professional life.

Having fun coding and solving problems was what got me my current job which i love (not like, but love).

No matter whats choosen. When you start coding and its your first language having fun with it is the most important thing.

There are many reasons a lot smater ppl could come up with but for me its the following:

  • If you learn new things its hard, coding is hard
  • Coding cant be learned by reading but only by practicing (im partial to project based learning)

Funny enough having some ancient background knowledge i was forced to learn with C (like how a programms works fundamentally) has come handy more often than not. So take what im saying with a grain of salt.

so long

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Andrew Baisden

I would start with learning JavaScript because the community is so big and active so finding help is incredibly easy. And its a versatile language you can build web, mobile, desktop, and machine learning apps. Both frontend and backend giving you infinite job opportunities across the techbnical stack.

Learning Python should be a must as well though if you know them both then you are not going to run out of job opportunities.

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Muhammad Raihan Satrio Putra Pamungkas

Based on my previous experience teaching coding to several peoples from different backgrounds in a community bootcamp. I've taught both languages on different occasions.

In my opinion, using Python as a first programming language is a better approach for general people as it's much easier to understand and has a straightforward syntax. On the other hand, JavaScript is also beginner-friendly, but it has broader knowledge prerequisites.

For instance, we need to understand some basic web concepts since JavaScript is attached and executed directly in the browser. Even though we can use NodeJS to execute the code in our terminal, it can be more challenging to explain the concept related to JavaScript and web browsers to people without an additional IT background.

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Abraham Gumba

Exactly! I'm surprised many people are missing this fact - Javascript requires some prior knowledge. Python can start from zero.

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Max

The choice of which tech skills to learn depends on both your personal interests and the demand for those skills in your local job market. If you are just starting out, I would recommend starting with Python. However, as your career progresses, you may need to learn multiple tech stacks, such as React for frontend development and Django for backend development.

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eerk

For me it would always be Javascript because it's so much easier to visualise and share your work. In python you will learn abstract concepts, but it's super unclear how you can build something other than console.log to see the results of your work.

Mini-rant:
Installing python is a nightmare beyond belief, your whole system gets littered with different versions in different install locations, unless you learn first how to create virtual environments in the terminal. Even tools like anaconda still don't fully solve this problem.

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Ingo Steinke, web developer

Might be odd to favor C-style languages with their curly braces and semicolons and everything, as a German, when those braces, colons and single quotes are surprisingly hard to type on a German keyboard! When I started long ago with BASIC, there was none of that, just 20 IF A$>1 THEN GOTO 10
We even had to type end edit the line numbers!
But have you ever tried to read and write python or any other indentation based syntax on a small screen? Personally, I'm not a great fan of Python. But I still think it's a very good, and useful, and beginner-friendly language. And there is a lot to criticize about JavaScript, even about ES2023, so, yes, I will vote that everyone starts to learn Python!

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Bartosz Raubo

I don't think you're going to be disadvantaged by either choice, although if you set out learning a programming language with a general fascination with frontend work, then JS would be the obvious choice.

If you are just learning programming for the hell of it - with no real plan or direction for what you might use it for in the future - then I would pick Python, mainly due to Jupyter notebooks being such a valuable tool for experimentation and seeing the effect of your code line by line.

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lionel-rowe

Observable gives a similar interface to Jupyter but with JS, and the code runs directly in the browser, so there's zero network latency (except for things like async data fetching). Each cell also updates automatically based on its dependencies, so you get instant visual feedback across all cells.

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Jimmy McBride

I think there's no one size fits all answer here. Check both out, see what they have to offer and choose the one YOU like, not the one that someone else tells you, you should learn. Once you learn your first language, all languages come so much easier after that.

I think making the choice based off of what you want to do will lead to sticking with coding more than making a choice based off of what someone else says is best.

Personally if I had to start from scratch and relearn everything, I know that I like frameworks like React and Vue, and building back end api's and making web apps/services, and the full stack experience. So I'd go JavaScript. But you can do all the same things Python using things like Django and Flask and especially if you like hard core web scraping, data science, machine learning and building services based off those kind of things, Python will serve you better.

Which sounds better to YOU? I know what sounds better to me.